Rhythms, Not Chaos

This piece (http://turklishtefl.com/2011/10/30/learning-is-messy/) by Nick Jaworski seems to justify his loud classroom as an ideal model for learning. He writes: 

> My classrooms rarely fit this vision because I think learning is loud. Learning is messy. I try my best to make learners interested in my lessons. They don’t sit quietly because they aren’t going to get a sticker, they’ll be put in time out, or I’ll yell at them. In fact, they generally don’t sit quietly at all.

I am not calling out his intentions-they seem noble. But he makes his point by creating a false opposition. He seems to assert "sitting quietly" equals non-learning and 'yelling out of turn' equals bad learning.

I think neither is. These are two extremes that need to be tempered.

There's a time and place for both in the ELT classroom. Sometimes students -even five-year-olds- need quietness and stillness in order to learn. Conversely, sometimes they need the teacher's blessing and encouragement to do the opposite. Learning does occur if there's stillness. Unfortunately, this article superimposes a simplistic juxtaposition:

> What’s your vision of the ideal classroom? Is it a classroom where every learner sits calmly and quietly? Do students always raise their hands before talking? Are they always focused on their task?

> In my experience, this is what’s passed down to us as the ideal class. But whose ideal class is it? The teacher’s of course. The teacher is the one who wants all tstudents sitting quietly and listening only to them. They don’t want the chaos of 20 students all talking at once. Every student should be focused on their task whether they find it interesting or not.

The trap for teachers of young learners is that they often go to one of these two extremes. It is a sign of inexperience or lack of attention to their own tendencies. The key is having rhythms. Establishing appropriate rhythms in classes fosters a child's awareness and appreciation of the safe times for both freedom of expression and quiet times. Learning occurs in both!

It's really hard having both. Yet both is desired. Staying committed to these rhythms is tough but should not be abandoned. Young children don't transition well between the two unless there's an established rhythm in the classroom. An example of a rhythm might be after lunch, there's a time of quiet reading or drawing or thinking. There might be a time when kids can 'let fly' and be as free as they want-all with the teacher's blessing and fervent encouragement. Once these kids are used to these rhythms, they learn discipline and reap the benefits of structure. No kid learns well in chaos. Having structure and established rhythms provides a safe environment for learning to occur.

Roger


Roger

Comments

I think having children learn both quietly and loudly in the classroom is important as Roger says. It is because children need to know that there are two ways to learn and how to learn quietly since it would be helpful for their learning later in the future as they grow up. The teacher of this article may think that children cannot learn quietly, but I think they can. I actually could learn quietly when I was a kindergarten student. At that time, we students had many classes that allowed us to move our bodies like drawing pictures, singing, and dancing and some classes where we leaned quietly in chairs such as listening to the stories, practicing writing alphabets. Because of a good balance between the two and because we had an appropriate amount of time for learning quietly (maybe less than the time for learning moving our bodies) and teachers taught us in an enjoyable way with the use of many pictures, we enjoyed and could concentrate on learning in chairs. So, if children can learn quietly and it’s important and helpful for their more efficient learning, why don’t we let them do? We can have children learn both quietly and loudly.
I do think that it's obvious how teachers tempt to either raise a loud class or quiet class. Continuing from your thought on how teachers need rhythm and transition when teaching young children, I agree that having both is vital to success in learning. However, I think an ideal class should be more of a loud exciting class, especially when teaching young learners. Earlier from Bob's class, we learned that children are more emotional than adults. Yes, young children are wild and free and they talk a lot which is good because they are trying to learn the language by practicing. In my opinion, young learners function well in the classroom, when they relish the extrovert atmosphere of interacting with both teacher and other students. I believe young children are always curious and they look forward to unlimited chances in learning stages. Building their confidence and leadership in a jungle like class is helpful for young children's speaking skill which is one of the important language skills. I would say, the elementary school students fit in the ideal class of both composed and free learning at the same time.
What I think is that classes should be well balanced. Classes should have both free time to speak and quiet time like Roger commented. So I cannot back up the author of the article, Learning is Messy, because of some reasons below. I know they don’t like to sit quietly; however, not every child likes to move around and shout out in classroom. Some of children in classroom prefer just listening to class even though they are minorities. Besides, it’s possible that a child really concentrates on what he or she wants to say but doesn’t care about other’s opinions. They just want to share their own opinion. So teachers have to have students take time to listen and think as follow up. Moreover, they gain new information even when they just listen to teachers. They learn something new and important even if they are bored. I believe language classes should not be always fun. Making noise and moving around is fun for children, but sometimes it’s just fun, no learning. Although I agree that especially younger kids learn language through interaction and having fun is significant, it’s dangerous that teachers always think about having them enjoy the class.
Considering children's age, I think it might be natural that the class be not quiet and clam because it is hard for 5 year-old-students to sit quietly and listen only to their teacher. They are so curious that they are eager to find something interesting anywhere and if they succeed in finding it, they just think about it and devote themselves in it. The efforts for the 5 year-old-student to be seated on a chair like 12 year-old-students might come to nothing. So, I think teachers allow them to be as 5 year old boys and girls in classroom and expect them to be much quieter and to more focus on the class later. To meet their curiosity and develop their imagination and creativity, teachers let them all shout out the answers, speak in their own voice and do something in class. However, the teachers should persuade the angry parents to understand the messy and chaotic class.
I totally agree with Roger’s opinion. Learning is not messy but rhythm. “Loud time” and quiet time should take turn occurring. What can students learn in a messy situation? They can learn nothing. Of course, I think that the situation where children can feel comfortable in a classroom and feel free to say anything they want is really important. I do not think, however, that the only situation is the best for children. We must need the time when children are quiet and concentrate on doing something to foster their learning. Teachers should acquire the skill to bring loud time and quiet time rhythmically. Once they achieve such a skill, I believe children’s learning develops more and more because children can focus on learning quietly by the rhythm.
Moreover, I would like to focus on “Loudness”. The author says that learning is loud but I doubt if he has thought of the quality of loudness because he regards the term of loudness as a mess. To be honest, loudness is completely different from a mess. Teachers should try their best to bring positive loudness into their class. What classes have positive loudness? Children would feel free to say something that is relevant to the learning contents and work on tasks with other peers as discussing. In a messy class, however, they would say anything even though it is not related to learning contents. They can do anything they want to do. That is why teachers should pay attention to children’s loudness not to make negative loudness.
yes.It's true that having the rhythm in the class room is impotrant. even though we weren't taught by our old teachers. however at the same time, It's very hard to keep the balance between two extremes. That might be the reason that teachers don't try hard to keep harmony between activities and lecture even if they know they are supposed to keep the balance.
but we don't only need to blame Nick Jaworski's opinion. I have interested in his idea in that way that his saying is partly convincing.
I think for young learners, it's good for teachers to make banlance with 30% of lecture or explanation and 70% of activity. (more doing activities than explanation)because they easily learn from moving bodys, singing and games.
Teachers should let them learn not be messy. so it is also important to be a facilitator to hlep young learners to organize their information repeating the contents what they are learning and how could they apply their real life.
We need to help children manage their bodies. The are fiddly and we need to help them develop ways to sit quietly. However, we shouldn't use FEAR. If we have standards and rules, the kids will pick p on this and do much better that a 'mob' situation. 5/5

Roger
Matt, I liked your thoughtfulness and thoroughness. Loudness verses Messiness is interesting. Every class is out of balance. Teachers, based on their tendencies lean towards messiness or loudness. We will always be challenged. But it doesn't matter which side one leans on, rhythms and roadmaps are ways to handle these pieces. I want to talk to you all in class about this.5/5

Roger
You have an interesting take. It is true that 5-year-olds have difficulty sitting still. That is true, but my point is that an un-managed class is even frustrating and eventually boring to the children. And how much learn occurs?
Balance and Rhythms is key. Children need roadmaps for desired behavior.5/5

Roger
Listening is important Shingo. good point. Listening requires quietness and attention. You are right. We need to teach them how to behave so that they and the teacher can enjoy the benefits of this desired behavior. 5/5
Roger
I appreciate your point. Perhaps you are leaning towards a more jungle-like class than what you think I would desire. 
I don't think we have different opinions. Kids are naturally wild and expressive. They need freedom and space to move and shout. Adults need it too!
My point is in the establishment of rhythms. Kids need help with transitions and they need roadmaps for expected behavior even if the desired behavior is 'jungle-like'.5/5

Roger
Yes, but Jaworski did not offer suggestions for how he would 'manage' the activity. He described chaos and yes, the kids were free and expressive, but do they know how to behave? Do they know how to transition? 5/5

Roger

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